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Friday, March 5, 2010

Making The Most Out of Skin Lightening: Layering Products

First of all, I want to thank everyone who has e-mailed me or commented so far since I put up the Skin Lightening Consultations post. <333 you all. Keep em' coming, I love answering any inquires or comments.

I seem to be getting a lot of messages about layering products, and I can understand why since I talk about so many skin lightening products. In a way this article can be a second part to Stopping Melanin Formation Through Combinations however this one I am specifically referring to layering products.

In a skin lightening regimen, certain ingredients need to be applied before others simply due to their composition, or there will be contradictions and other problems arising.

The general rule is that products with a low pH (in order: BHA, AHA, Vitamin C) should be applied first if you are layering. Now obviously if you do not layer products ( that is perfectly fine) this article probably won't be that relevant to you.

So for example, let's say at night time, you have a product with a host of alpha hydroxy acids in it (lactic acid, glycolic acid, mandelic acid etc.), a skin lightener with botanical extracts (say...Makari Body Beautifying Milk) and a retinoid.

Now that is a lot of very strong products. A lot of dermatologists would look at that and say, "you are not going to reap any of the benefits of these products because your skin's pH is off". Now, to a degree that is true. The skin likes to be at a pH of around 5.5 (which ironically is the pH of most niacinamide products - fun little fact).  When you simply just layer products with different pH's on top of one another, without waiting for the skin to restore or neutralize back to its original pH - you are not absorbing the ingredients properly. The efficacy of all your products are being compromised.

After doing a lot of research, and trial and error with my own self - I have learned a way to work around this problem so you are actually absorbing each ingredient.

The skin restores itself back to its original pH, generally in about 30 minutes.

I will put a disclaimer here that most products work better when applied to bare skin (and nothing else layered on top or underneath). That is just a fact. This is especially true for AHA products. Niacinamide products. Copper peptides, and most of all retinoids. Retinoids work better when they aren't mixed with anything (greater efficacy and penetration - but in the same turn, not many people can tolerate retinoids straight on their skin. They need something to buffer it, so it's not so strong or drying).

There are a few exceptions like Vitamin C + sunscreen (still there needs to be a waiting period, I will get into that below), retinoids and botanical skin lighteners, AHAs and BHAs (low pH ingredients combined).

So with those products I mentioned above, I would recommend that person to do the following:

Apply the alpha hydroxy acid product first since it has a low pH
*give at least 30 minutes for the skin to neutralize*
Apply Makari Body Beautifying Milk (relatively normal pH)
Apply retinoid

There is no wait time between most generic serums, esters, botanicals and retinoids.

Giving your skin 30 minutes to balance it's pH only applies to AHAs, BHAs, and Vitamin C. So once you introduce those products into your regimen, the product immediatley following that must be applied 30 minutes later. If you don't, you not only risk irritation and flushing, but you actually do not abosrb the active ingredients. They pretty much just stay on your face like a mask (well not that extreme, but you get the idea), and do not absorb into the stratum corneum.

So let me summarize this up so it makes clear, concise sense:
  • You should always apply low pH products first (low pH products are BHA, AHA and Vitamin C)
  • If you want to layer anything (retinoid, niacinamide, copper peptide, botanical skin lightener) on top of those low pH products, you must wait 30 minutes (except for sunscreen, which usually can be applied in about 10-15 minutes following since it's inactive base is very bland)
..and that's about it. I hope that clarified some things up for people, and helped you realize that certain things contradict one another in a skin lightening regimen. Its not always this black and white, some people can get away with mixing an AHA product with niacinamide without any negative effects from the hydrolyzes. But just to make the most out of your products, I recommend following these rules. You will see greater skin lightening results, because your skin will actually be absorbing and making use of the active ingredients.

Mileena ;)

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8 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Mileena,

I am using Neostrata AHA/BHA toner for my acne but whenever i use that my face sting badly for 5 mins and get red for 5-8mins is it normal or should i stop using that .

March 8, 2010 at 8:21 AM  
Blogger Mileena said...

Hi!

That is relatively normal. Eventually your skin does build up tolerance, but there will always be an initial sting when using AHAs or BHAs.

Do you use it everyday? Twice a day? Cut it down to every other day, and only once. If you use it during the day time and apply sunscreen immediatley, wait the full 10 minutes in between to allow your pH to balance out. No need to wait for 30 minutes with sunscreen.

=)

March 8, 2010 at 9:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Mileena,

I use neostrata BHA/AHA twice a day at night i use toner and wait for 15-20 mins then apply my Retin A and in morning i use toner and wait for 15 mins and apply La roche posay susncreen . and i was thinking to add there matifying fluide because i get shiny skin during the day i think because of my suscreen do you think i should use matifying fluide after my suscreen or before if i will use that neostrata matifying fluide after my suscreen will this effect on sunscreen's efficancy or not .

March 8, 2010 at 9:35 AM  
Blogger Mileena said...

Hey,

I would not add the Neostrata Matifying Fluide. Though it is a great product, it isn't very matifying (I've tried it) so you won't be getting much out of it since you are already getting pore cleaning/epidermal exfoliation from the AHA/BHA and the toner at night. If you did use it, it won't affect the sunscreen's efficancy as long as you wait 15 minutes before applying the sunscreen on top of it. The bigger problem is that using AHAs in the daytime can sometimes cause some sun damage unless you are wearing a good sunscreen with decent PPD rating (UVA protection). I personally don't use AHAs in the daytime. I save all my exfoliation for the night.

But if you are getting acne, then it is understandable and useful to use it twice a day. Is your acne under control with this regimen?

What sunscreen do you use?

The toner you use at night is pretty futile since you are using the AHA/BHA twice a day - that alone is a great penetration enhancer. You don't *need* the toner, and it is most likely just causing you irritation.

;)

March 8, 2010 at 12:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Mileena,

I use la roche posay sunscreen today my skin is really itchy last week i had same problem when i use Vichy Bi white and then my doctor said i've got allergic reaction from something and that was the only thing i used and he prescribed topical steroids i used for only one night and everthing was undercontrol now again this week i got that same stuff on my face is red and i've for small white pimple lookalike stuff but i know there are not pimples .I 've this flare stuff since yesterday and i started Neostrata AHA/BHA toner on friday . do this there somthing in Neostrata and VichY Bi white i could be allergic to . i still and that topical steroid ointment left the one my doctor prescribed last week (betamicone something )and are topical Steroids safe to use on skin or they long term harm to skin after reading all the stuff about hydroquinne Which i used in the past for my melasma i am very careful with products.

March 8, 2010 at 1:58 PM  
Blogger Mileena said...

Hi

Well the common ingredient in both the Neostrata AHA/BHA toner and the Vichy Bi White is salicylic acid (BHA). Perhaps that is the culprit.

The flare up can be a result of several new products introduced at relatively the same time frame (within the same month or two). This usually happens to very sensitive skin types.

I would stop using the AHA/BHA toner and Bi White (which I think you've already done) and give your skin 7 days to rest. You're going to to investigate what exactly is causing your skin to react, so if your skin doesn't get better in these 7 days, you have to take out another thing. Basically you are de-bunking your regimen to see what products, or combination of products is causing it.

In the meantime use the topical steroid your doctor prescribed on the affected areas. There is nothing dangerous in using topical corticosteroids for 6 months. It is not like hydroquinone - which is a mercury derivative not a corticosteroid class.

I hope things clear up for you soon. Maybe try going back to your regimen prior to these flare ups. Continue using the steroid until it subsides. <3

March 8, 2010 at 3:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Mileena,

I was wondering would you still be subject to these waiting periods if you are only using vitamin c as a skin lightener? I am using a prescribed 10% benzoyl peroxide cleanser followed by Shiseido's Pureness toner. However I am also using a prescribed Clindasol acne cream along with Vitamin C, and a regular Lush moisturizer. I also have a tranexamine/arbutin that I am debating on incorporating into my regime. What do you suggest to be that application wait time and order?

Thanks!

June 3, 2010 at 12:31 PM  
Blogger Mileena said...

Hi!

The waiting time for layering products only applies to 3 ingredients:

Salicylic acid
Vitamin C
Niacinamide

I'm not sure exactly what the actives are in Clindasol (is it Erythromycin and Benzoyl Peroxide?) but either way, it's best to use that at night.

I would suggest this:

AM:
10% Benzoyl Peroxide Cleanser
Shiseido Pureness Toner
Apply Vitamin C serum (no waiting time)
Apply Lush Moisturizer on dry spots
Apply sunscreen (really important when using benzoyl peroxide since without using sunscreen, it can lead to acne marks. BP is a pro-oxidant, that's how it helps to get rid of acne through oxidation which can lead to marks/dark spots but sunscreen and vitamin c can offset this).

PM:
Remove AM products
Apply Clindasol Acne Cream
Apply Tranexamic/Arbutin product (is this the UNT EX White 2 by any chance?)

=)

June 3, 2010 at 2:42 PM  

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